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anca Junior

Data inscrierii: 30/Noi/2008 Mesaje: 15
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Trimis: 02/02/2009 10:50 Titlul subiectului: Les invasions barbares |
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Why Les invasions barbares?
Because there are some things that, sooner or later, invade our life, such as illness, death, history, politic.We don't invite them, we don't want them in our life and we can't escape. There are to aggressive and the only thing that we can do is to except them, because there are part of our existence. But, at some point, Remy decided that it was to much.  |
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ramona Junior


Data inscrierii: 03/Dec/2008 Mesaje: 18
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Trimis: 03/02/2009 03:24 Titlul subiectului: Tout un monde de pensées |
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Tout d’abord, merci beaucoup, M. Otoiu, pour l’initiative d’organiser un cours sur des films, puis merci de nouveau pour les films choisis. J’ai lu quelque part sur une comparaison entre les gens et les livres, au sens qu’il y en a des uns qui ne laissent aucune trace dans la vie d’un homme, puis d’autres qui y mettent leur empreinte pour un ou deux jours, mais il y en a ceux qui peuvent te changer pour longtemps sinon pour toujours. J’oserais élargir un peu la comparaison et affirmer la même chose sur les films.
Après avoir vu Les invasions barbares, surtout en tant que suite du Déclin de l’empire américain, voilà ce que je pense: ce monde, tant qu’il soit imparfait, c’est le seul dont on dispose et si on ne peut pas le changer, on n’a qu’à l’accepter tel quel et chercher de faire des changements en soi-même. A la fin des fins, on n’est que des êtres humains ayant des expériences humaines
Quand on est jeune on se sent très puissant, comme si l’on avait le monde à nos pieds. Mais j’ai entendu des gens disant qu’ils aimeraient bien échanger n’importe quoi avec quelques années de jeunesse de plus… Tout comme Dorian Gray de Wilde, si possible. Heureusement, on sait déjà comment finit cette histoire-là , donc le mieux est de laisser les choses se passer de la façon la plus naturelle et accepter le passage du temps avec tout ce qu’il emporte. Finalement, est-ce qu’il est tellement important de tout savoir ou bien on est heureux si l’on vit sa vie de la manière dont on le veut ? Bien sûr, l’idéal serait d’avoir les deux, mais ce serait une responsabilité et même un fardeau trop grands.
Rémy, par exemple, semble ressentir, finalement, le fardeau des années. Il semble avoir quelques regrets : le fait qu’il n’avait jamais réussi à exceller dans sa carrière, une vie de recherches perpétuelles souvent sans résultat, le regret de n’avoir jamais écrit quelque chose qui dure, la relation avec son fils (mais ça finit bien, en fin de comptes), l'absence de sa fille, Sylvaine, la réaction passive de ses étudiants au ocazie où il annonce sa retraite (ce qui peut être déchirant pour un prof). En fait, il a ses moments de doute, de peur et de refus de sa condition de vieux malade (voir la scène dans l’ambulance se dirigeant vers la maison de campagne de Pierre), puis il s’en va en paix, emmenant les sourires de ses amis, de sa famille depuis toujours. |
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ramona Junior


Data inscrierii: 03/Dec/2008 Mesaje: 18
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Trimis: 03/02/2009 03:52 Titlul subiectului: |
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Pourquoi Les invasions barbares ?
Si je ne me trompe, c’est Alain qui a parlé pour la première fois des invasions barbares dans ce film. Dans une interview sur les évènements du 11 Septembre, il a conclu que c’était le commencement des grandes invasions barbares et l’attaque – un coup au cœur de l’empire.
Ensuite, le policier Gilles Levac, parlant à Sebastien dans la voiture, a fait référence à l’invasion des immigrants, en particulier les trafiquants de drogues.
A la fin du film, on retrouve Rémy devant la maison de vacances, avant se faire ses adieux, où il a LA discussion conciliante avec son fils, discussion qui commence toujours par une référence aux barbares : Le Moyen Age, les manuscrits… Les barbares, partout, demain… Leur prince s’approche… Serait-ce une allusion aux jeunes, qui peuvent passer de barbares aux yeux des plus âgés ?
Ce sont des exemples concrets qui expliquent partiellement le titre du film, mais il n’est pas très difficile de « traduire », disons, l’avant-plan et l’arrière-plan du film (the foreground and the background) pour en trouver d’autres. Donc, invasions peut être synonyme avec terrorisme, drogues, immigrants, maladies physiques, psychiques ou spirituelles, corruption, démesure, la course à l’argent, les coulisses des jeux politiques, les guerres proprement dites, la dégradation de l’environnement et, pourquoi pas, les jeux sur l'ordinateur... 
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ramona Junior


Data inscrierii: 03/Dec/2008 Mesaje: 18
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Trimis: 03/02/2009 16:58 Titlul subiectului: |
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Voilà ce que j’ai lu aujourd’hui :
Cet acharnement à me connaître, j’aurais dû l’avoir plus tôt. Si je m’y étais pris à temps, peut-être serais-je arrivé à quelque chose (…) Quel temps perdu, quel gaspillage, je croyais que j’avais tout mon temps. Maintenant cela presse, ce sont les derniers moments, et cette hâte n’est pas favorable à la recherche.
C’est un fragment du Journal en miettes écrit par Ionesco. Mais je suis tombée là -dessous en feuilletant Les choses de la vie de Paul Guimard. J’ai été tellement surprise à la vue de ces lignes qui décrivent à merveille les sentiments de Rémy vers la fin de sa vie !
My dear Anglophone colleagues, I really hope you don’t mind my writing in French. This is more at hand for me. Anyway, I’ll write the Romanian version of the quotation I gave above, as I think it’s quite an interesting coincidence … Don’t you think so, too? Yes, we could generalize and say that this is the attitude most of the people have when becoming aware of the imminence of death, but anyways...
Here it is:
Aceasta inversunare de a ma cunoaste si de a cunoaste ar fi necesită sa o fi avut mai dinainte. Daca ma apucam la vreme, poate as fi ajuns la ceva. (…) Cat timp pierdut, cata risipa, credeam ca am tot timpul! Acum totul ma grabeste, sunt ultimele momente, si graba asta nu e favorabila cautarii. (Jurnal in farame) |
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larisa Junior

Data inscrierii: 30/Noi/2008 Mesaje: 7
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Trimis: 04/02/2009 23:19 Titlul subiectului: |
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obviously I am not a professional, but still, I consider that 'Les invasions barbares' has it all to be a great film. we can notice character development, witty dialogues, and what's more important, actors that know what they're doing. and another important thing is that it doesn't have that hollywood happy end(though waited by some of us(me )
the question raised was 'why this title?' an invasion is something usually happening by force, but this is not the case. the most poignant example of invasion in this film is illness. and then loneliness.
all the characters suffer from one of these, either physically or psychologically. remy is affected by his lifestyle, and all of them are invaded by loneliness one way or another.
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Coman_Alina Junior

Data inscrierii: 24/Ian/2009 Mesaje: 7 Localitate: Baia Mare
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Trimis: 09/02/2009 17:36 Titlul subiectului: Les invasions barbares |
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I would say that Les invasions barbares is a bitter-sweet story about friendship, pain, family relationships, death, Canadian sanitar system, drug abuse, love, cinism, laughter, how to deal with loss...
The reason all the characters gather is a sad one as Remy is extremely ill, but they are not sad at all, they love life so much with its good and bad parts. Remy-a life-long socialist finally connects with his son Sebastien-a very successful capitalist. His lust for life is contagious and this made me think about some healthy young people that have no idea how lucky they are and how much they could grab from life, instead of being blase and bored of everything.
I've noticed that many characters have the same first name as actors playing them: Remy Girard-Remy
Dominique Michel-Dominique
Pierre Curzi-Pierre |
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melinda.tindela Junior


Data inscrierii: 04/Dec/2008 Mesaje: 15
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Trimis: 11/02/2009 17:21 Titlul subiectului: |
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I remained somewhat puzzled since Mr. Otoiu's stated that the title "Les Invasions Barbares" could have several explanations/interpretations. I kept thinking, wondering which could those interpretations be. Finally, frustrated, I decided to browse the internet. I found here [url]http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0338135/usercomments?start=30[/url] a possible interpretation. The author of the few lines posted here - an American (Chez Yankois) - says that the movie makes reference to the 9/11 attacks on the United States. I believe this may be rather exaggerated, though. Lately, for Americans, anything and everything is related with 9/11.
Following a different line of thought, this guy also says that anything dealing with serious change stands for an invasion - Rémy's disease is an invasion in his life, Stéphane's reintroduction intro Nathalie's life can be seen as also an invasion, etc.
With thoughts of my own...maybe next time!!
Oh! a question: Is nobody going to speak about suicide related to this movie? Or euthanasia? |
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ramona Junior


Data inscrierii: 03/Dec/2008 Mesaje: 18
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Trimis: 13/02/2009 16:31 Titlul subiectului: |
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Indeed, there are some things to be said about euthanasia. I don't think Remy's act is a suicide because there is this big difference between the two concepts, which is the reason why the person chooses to control the moment of the great passage. We could refer to assisted suicide instead, but here again a difference can be made. I had to check it in order to make things clear to myself, first and here's what I found: http://www.internationaltaskforce.org/faq.htm
So, it is euthanasia what Remy chose and the "difference" is Natalie whom he calls "my gardian angel", not the angel of death, as we may be tempted to call her... _________________ Body and Soul need new challenges. - P. Coelho |
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Coman_Alina Junior

Data inscrierii: 24/Ian/2009 Mesaje: 7 Localitate: Baia Mare
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Trimis: 14/02/2009 00:25 Titlul subiectului: New president of YMCA Baia Mare |
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I wish you good night and all the best!
I've just wanted to tell you that I'm the new president of YMCA Baia Mare.
Alina Coman |
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ramona Junior


Data inscrierii: 03/Dec/2008 Mesaje: 18
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Trimis: 14/02/2009 17:14 Titlul subiectului: |
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Congrats, Alina ! And good luck!
Je viens de voir la fin d’un documentaire sur Venise (que j’aime le plus en tant qu’objectif touristique) et je me suis surprise en analysant les images, surtout les cadres fixes, selon la règle des tiers. Et les réalisateurs du documentaire ont vraiment respecté la règle en question Par exemple, il y a eu un cadre avec la partie supérieure de la tour Campanile et ils l’ont placée sur la ligne tierce (verticale, bien sûr) sur la droite et le reste de l’image – que du ciel clair.
Puis, un autre cadre, comme dans l’image ci-dessus, qui me rappelle l'un des tableaux qu’on a vus hier, celui de Dürer – Willow Mill, je crois.
En plus, ils ont utilisé un objectif grand-angulaire, car on remarque la distorsion de l’image, donc « the barrel effect ».
Maintenant, pour revenir au sujet de cette section, j’ai trouvé cette photo dans laquelle on peut très facilement établir les centres d’intérêt après avoir tracé les lignes tierces – Rémy Girard et Denys Arcand. On remarque aussi une diagonale forte – Rémy dans le lit, qui regarde en haut, donc un mouvement ascendant.
Ce ne sont que quelques constatations, mais c’est un très important point de départ et pour cela je vous remercie encore une fois, M. Otoiu  _________________ Body and Soul need new challenges. - P. Coelho |
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ioana Junior


Data inscrierii: 01/Dec/2008 Mesaje: 10
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Trimis: 15/02/2009 19:29 Titlul subiectului: |
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A friend of mine in Canada told me that Le declin... is much better than Les invasions... if we are to consider the story and the ideas. The first one is about life at its climax, about energy, youth, thriving, while the second one is about coming to an end (I'd say THE end) and struggling to find a meaning, about memories, regrets, nostalgia and (cosmic) irony.
Why do I prefer thinking about the end while I'm young? No idea. But each time I see something like Les invasions I remember that we aren't here forever and these nicely working body of ours will eventually start to fail on us. I remember that I haven't got the whole time in the world, but now.
Cheap philosophy about myself (remember I'm an only child ).
The meaning of life... do you really think that being with your friends gives a meaning to your life? Well, Remy hadn't seen his friends for really many years before he was terminally ill. So... yes, they got back together and enjoyed it, but this couldn't have been the meaning of Remy's life. I believe he couldn't actually find it. He was extremely conscious that he was about to disappear forever, and he was strong enough to have some good time (with a little help from his friends and family). Has anyone found the meaning of life? Don't we use religion and philosophy to get to it? Have we succeeded yet? Nope.
One more idea and I'm done. Nathalie tells Remy that he doesn't want to die because he is clinging onto his past, because he doesn't want to lose his old self. Aren't we made up by all our memories, experiences, thoughts? We could never reduce ourselves to what we are now. Our past is in us, we are what we are because of who and what we were.
I'm probably done.  _________________ Be the change you want to see in the world!
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melinda.tindela Junior


Data inscrierii: 04/Dec/2008 Mesaje: 15
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Trimis: 17/02/2009 11:53 Titlul subiectului: |
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It seems that euthanasia is no longer such a controversial issue. I was expecting some very virulent comments, generated by genuine Christian attitudes. Have we become less religious?
Food for thought... |
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ioana Junior


Data inscrierii: 01/Dec/2008 Mesaje: 10
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Trimis: 17/02/2009 13:45 Titlul subiectului: |
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| melinda.tindela a scris: | It seems that euthanasia is no longer such a controversial issue. I was expecting some very virulent comments, generated by genuine Christian attitudes. Have we become less religious?
Food for thought... |
Euthanasia is something we talked too much about when the Spanish made that Mar Adentro (The Sea Inside). Since I completely agree with choosing to end your life rather than living it without dignity... what's more to be said?
Religion... yeah. _________________ Be the change you want to see in the world! |
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